In this episode, Josh Goldbard interviews Isis Agora Lovecruft. Isis is a non-binary cryptographer known for developing Tor and the dalek cryptography library. They share their experience growing up with hacker parents and using math as a tool to cope with mental health challenges. Isis describes the unique sensation of feeling like their body changes shape when thinking about certain equations. Josh and Isis discuss the flaws in facial and voice recognition and debate whether identity should be tied to a concept of physical self. Isis tells us about the time they escaped to Berlin wearing a disguise to avoid the FBI.